Comments on: What’s Greener – Pixels or Paper? http://blogs.whattheythink.com/going-green/2009/07/whats-greener-pixels-or-paper A Resource for Today’s Green Business Tue, 16 Mar 2010 15:22:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Pat Berger http://blogs.whattheythink.com/going-green/2009/07/whats-greener-pixels-or-paper/comment-page-1#comment-2304 Pat Berger Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:36:45 +0000 http://blogs.whattheythink.com/going-green/?p=3765#comment-2304 Observation July 3 to July 12. My family and I did a cross country vacation from Ohio to Indiana to Kentucky to Tennessee to Arkansas to Oklahoma to Texas to New Mexico to Arizona to Nevada to California to Utah to Colorado to Kansas to Missouri to Illinois back to Indiana back to Ohio. This wasn't a very green vacation while it sure was an enlighting observation of some green and mostly greenless or green not at all. We were in many major cities and traveled down many side streets to get a more realistic view an impression of the cities. There were a few indications of solar panels and wind mills. Most of all I got the perception that the general population doesn't give a crap about green or are completely oblivious to it. When traveling and stopping at the visitors centers looking for clues as to what is available locally you find that you really don't care how the information is presented be it a brochure or map or LCD screens or Iphone hookup or just chit chat with the locals green or not in these situations green is nice if you can get it but if it isn't available so what. You still require the info and how you obtain it and keep it for the duration of the local stay is irrelevant at the time. For green to work everybody must be involved everyday and everywhere. Observation July 3 to July 12.

My family and I did a cross country vacation from Ohio to Indiana to Kentucky to Tennessee to Arkansas to Oklahoma to Texas to New Mexico to Arizona to Nevada to California to Utah to Colorado to Kansas to Missouri to Illinois back to Indiana back to Ohio.

This wasn’t a very green vacation while it sure was an enlighting observation of some green and mostly greenless or green not at all.

We were in many major cities and traveled down many side streets to get a more realistic view an impression of the cities.
There were a few indications of solar panels and wind mills. Most of all I got the perception that the general population doesn’t give a crap about green or are completely oblivious to it.

When traveling and stopping at the visitors centers looking for clues as to what is available locally you find that you really don’t care how the information is presented be it a brochure or map or LCD screens or Iphone hookup or just chit chat with the locals green or not in these situations green is nice if you can get it but if it isn’t available so what. You still require the info and how you obtain it and keep it for the duration of the local stay is irrelevant at the time.

For green to work everybody must be involved everyday and everywhere.

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By: David http://blogs.whattheythink.com/going-green/2009/07/whats-greener-pixels-or-paper/comment-page-1#comment-2303 David Mon, 27 Jul 2009 13:32:57 +0000 http://blogs.whattheythink.com/going-green/?p=3765#comment-2303 I think this pretty much says it all... "Lifespan: I read a 150-year-old book the other day and have 75-year-old copies of National Geographic, but my 15-year-old WordPerfect for DOS files are either unreadable or FUBAR. How many of today’s laptops, e-book readers, and iPhones will still be in use five years from now?" I think this pretty much says it all…

“Lifespan: I read a 150-year-old book the other day and have 75-year-old copies of National Geographic, but my 15-year-old WordPerfect for DOS files are either unreadable or FUBAR. How many of today’s laptops, e-book readers, and iPhones will still be in use five years from now?”

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By: Lithoman http://blogs.whattheythink.com/going-green/2009/07/whats-greener-pixels-or-paper/comment-page-1#comment-2302 Lithoman Mon, 27 Jul 2009 13:32:14 +0000 http://blogs.whattheythink.com/going-green/?p=3765#comment-2302 Trees are a crop. Take away the demand for trees and trees will be replaced with another crop. Trees are a crop. Take away the demand for trees and trees will be replaced with another crop.

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By: mattf http://blogs.whattheythink.com/going-green/2009/07/whats-greener-pixels-or-paper/comment-page-1#comment-2301 mattf Mon, 27 Jul 2009 13:31:11 +0000 http://blogs.whattheythink.com/going-green/?p=3765#comment-2301 One of the biggest concerns I see with this post and the ensuing bashing on both sides is that this still compares apples to oranges: 1) Both the paper industry and the comparable "data centers" create different things. 2) Both are good and bad in regards to the environment in their own way. 3) The Pixel age is younger and not as organized as the paper industry. 4) People's perception of whats more prevalent in terms of environmental focus is a huge drive. When we see paper in the trash, we see a "tree" being thrown away into a dump to stay there for thousands of years. That representation is a lot more visual, which is why paper has gotten so much heat. The larger population is also more familiar with that. "Data centers" do not get that heat at times because the circulation of media attention to this pressing problem is not shown as much. If we saw this everyday: http://www.2point6billion.com/2008/04/22/managing-asias-e-waste-673.html Things would change. However, that drive hasn't started yet. Certain large computer manufactures do take your computer back to recycle if you get another one, but there isn't as much of a recycling program for e-waste as is with paper. Paper has had a significant head start, pixels will follow, it will just take time. Same as Tesla will take time to develop a car that normal Americans can drive at the price that is desirable. The one major point I do agree with the International Paper piece is that our society needs to create a more sustainable supply chain in every way and not just paper. Paper has a great head start, the rest of the world just needs to catch up. One of the biggest concerns I see with this post and the ensuing bashing on both sides is that this still compares apples to oranges:

1) Both the paper industry and the comparable “data centers” create different things.

2) Both are good and bad in regards to the environment in their own way.

3) The Pixel age is younger and not as organized as the paper industry.

4) People’s perception of whats more prevalent in terms of environmental focus is a huge drive.

When we see paper in the trash, we see a “tree” being thrown away into a dump to stay there for thousands of years. That representation is a lot more visual, which is why paper has gotten so much heat. The larger population is also more familiar with that.

“Data centers” do not get that heat at times because the circulation of media attention to this pressing problem is not shown as much. If we saw this everyday:

http://www.2point6billion.com/2008/04/22/managing-asias-e-waste-673.html

Things would change. However, that drive hasn’t started yet. Certain large computer manufactures do take your computer back to recycle if you get another one, but there isn’t as much of a recycling program for e-waste as is with paper.

Paper has had a significant head start, pixels will follow, it will just take time. Same as Tesla will take time to develop a car that normal Americans can drive at the price that is desirable.

The one major point I do agree with the International Paper piece is that our society needs to create a more sustainable supply chain in every way and not just paper. Paper has a great head start, the rest of the world just needs to catch up.

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By: Pat Berger http://blogs.whattheythink.com/going-green/2009/07/whats-greener-pixels-or-paper/comment-page-1#comment-2300 Pat Berger Mon, 27 Jul 2009 01:25:00 +0000 http://blogs.whattheythink.com/going-green/?p=3765#comment-2300 Cellulose base communications sequester carbon. We can decide when and where and how we want to release the carbon. With present technology, computer electrical usage of any kind is a 1 time deal that never can be saved or reused This link is a good read to go along with E whatever books and other electronic reading devices and anything that uses electrical power. http://www.pnas.org/content/101/46/16115.full.pdf Everything we do has consequences. Having a little control of when, how, where and the severity of the consequences is what we call being ecological.© We should be thanking the wood,pulp and paper industry for doing such a good job at sequestering carbon and planting more trees to sequester more. The following is a quote from the Ohio Department of Natural Resources http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/jun03/0612bigtrees/tabid/13494/Default.aspx "The ODNR Division of Forestry is charge with ensuring healthy forests and good forestry products in the state. The state's Big Trees can be examples of what it takes to develop healthy trees over a long period of time. One hundred years of good forest management has increased the amount of tree cover across Ohio from only 12 percent in 1900 to more than 33 percent today." Cellulose base communications sequester carbon. We can decide when and where and how we want to release the carbon.

With present technology, computer electrical usage of any kind is a 1 time deal that never can be saved or reused

This link is a good read to go along with E whatever books and other electronic reading devices and anything that uses electrical power.

http://www.pnas.org/content/101/46/16115.full.pdf

Everything we do has consequences. Having a little control of when, how, where and the severity of the consequences is what we call being ecological.©

We should be thanking the wood,pulp and paper industry for doing such a good job at sequestering carbon and planting more trees to sequester more.

The following is a quote from the Ohio Department of Natural Resources

http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/jun03/0612bigtrees/tabid/13494/Default.aspx

“The ODNR Division of Forestry is charge with ensuring healthy forests and good forestry products in the state. The state’s Big Trees can be examples of what it takes to develop healthy trees over a long period of time. One hundred years of good forest management has increased the amount of tree cover across Ohio from only 12 percent in 1900 to more than 33 percent today.”

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By: Kristina Holdorf http://blogs.whattheythink.com/going-green/2009/07/whats-greener-pixels-or-paper/comment-page-1#comment-2297 Kristina Holdorf Fri, 24 Jul 2009 04:56:53 +0000 http://blogs.whattheythink.com/going-green/?p=3765#comment-2297 Finally some sense. MOST Paper companies are not the bad guys anymore. How about we go after TV manufactures for awhile and leave paper and print alone. Finally some sense. MOST Paper companies are not the bad guys anymore. How about we go after TV manufactures for awhile and leave paper and print alone.

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